The Oz Fallacy Fallacy

Lisa earning multiple "educations"

A few weeks back I posted an article in which I described observations I had made regarding the attitudes of undergraduate students towards their education. Page later posted a follow up in response to some of the comments the article had received. I too noted an apparent misunderstanding of what I was proposing in the comment content, and offer the following; The Oz Fallacy Fallacy; the perception that my article on the Oz Fallacy was a suggestion that an education is a valueless or futile exercise.

My original intent was to express my concern that people were confusing the aim of higher education to be the acquisition of a degree. Yes, many probably do hope to earn a degree. I myself have collected a few thus far, and I am nowhere near ‘done’. But the aim of higher education is the acquisition of an education; a degree merely symbolically represents that some standard level of an education has been achieved.

Some of the comments referred to the practice of dismissing claims made by those lacking in the credentials as contradictory to my argument. And, frankly no, one cannot dismiss a claim solely on the credentials (or lack) of the person making the claim. A claim should be made evaluated on the content of the claim. While it’s true that I’d be skeptical to accept a claim proposed by someone outside of that field of expertise, if the claim itself demonstrates scientific validity, the fact that the person making the claim lacked these credentials would not be a reason to still dismiss it. Likewise, if a person makes a claim within their supposed area of expertise, if the claim is lacking in robust evidence I would still reject it regardless of the resume of the claimant.

But, this is still within the line of reasoning put forth in my original post; the symbol itself need not always represent the virtue it purports to uniquely represent. However, this is not to say that an education is without value. Quite the contrary; the pursuit of higher education is a noble undertaking. But it’s the pursuit of higher education that one should aspire to, not simply passing by a few minimal standards en route to an undergraduate degree.

So, in summary, my original post was a comment on my observation of the culture of degrees, and the diminishing emphasis of that goal being on an education. I will conclude by saying there is hope, a student at the end of last semester offered (unsolicited) “I finally know that getting a good grade is great, but learning is the goal.”

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The Galileo Principle and Scientific Consensus

If you believe something that no one else does, you may be a spiritual descendant of this Renaissance gentleman! Or you could be nuttier than peanut butter...

When arguing with those who preach non-scientific views on subjects where my education is limited, I tend to invoke the consensus of scientific opinion.  I believe my reasoning for this is sound.  I tend to trust in the process of science.  I know that it is in the interests of scientists to be able to prove conclusively why something is or is not true, and that it’s in the interests of their colleagues to disprove what the initial scientist is saying.  Using the process of science, ideas are stringently vetted through the entire community, and if a new idea manages to make its way through that process, we can be reasonably certain that idea is an accurate reflection of reality.  The counter I receive tends to be the Galileo Principle, that Galileo was hounded on all sides by those who believed his ideas on cosmology were wrong, even though he was eventually vindicated for his heliocentric cosmos.  How do we reconcile the appeal to scientific consensus with the possibility of Galileos? … continue reading this entry.

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Flash Wednesday

  • In an effort to clear out our remaining inventory before the arrival of the NECSS 2010 DVDs, we are reducing the price of our NECSS 2009 DVD set from $45 to $20 — more than half off! What’s more, we are including free shipping to delivery addresses within the Unites States. This set includes the entire NECSS 2009 conference on four DVDs, including lectures, panel discussions, and performances. Supplies are limited, so act quickly to pick up the NECSS 2009 conference at a fantastic price! Click here to order!
  • Our next public lecture will feature Professor Graham Priest, and will take place on Saturday Sept. 11. After the lecture, please join Prof. Priest and your fellow skeptics for a casual meal at Agave restaurant, located at 7th Ave South between Charles and West 10th Street. We are set to begin at 3PM and will have a reserved room. If you would like to attend the post-lecture meal, please contact Danny K at danny@nycskeptics.org so that we may reserve enough seats.
  • The latest episode of our official podcast, Rationally Speaking, is now up! The episode is titled “Deferring to Experts” and asks: Are there fields that have no experts, or that have pretend experts?  If there is a lot of disagreement among experts on a topic, should we take any individual expert’s opinion less seriously? How much consensus is required before a non-expert should say, “OK, looks like this question really is settled”?
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Bad Universe: More Skepticism on TV!

Because when you are dealing with the universe, ignorance is deadly!

Sunday night was the premier of the first episode of Bad Universe, Phil Plait’s foray into television. This show is a sort of MythBusters style science show involving demonstrations (ostensibly using combustible materials) to prove or disprove claims and hypotheses.Unlike MythBusters, or the useless MythBusters spin-off called Time-Warp that had even less science and more blowing stuff up, Plait’s show is supposed to be much more science and scientist heavy. Huzzah! … continue reading this entry.

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A Non-Scientific Argument Against Intelligent Design

I was at Drinking Skeptically on Wednesday, trying to talk to people about how they should write for the Gotham Skeptic, because frankly, I get tired sometimes and I’d like to share that terrifying “it’s Wednesday/Sunday at 9:00 and I still don’t know what I’m going to write about” feeling that has become such a regular part of my week.  I was talking with Mitch, who if you’re a regular member of the NYC Skeptics, you probably know, and he’s telling me about this story he’d like to write all about “what if Intelligent Design was real.”  I’m not going to go into it too much because that’s his thing, but I had a question on it, he encouraged me to write about it here, and that’s what’s been done and what I’m doing. … continue reading this entry.

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NECSS 2009 DVDs On Sale NOW!

Use these nicely edited DVDs to prove to people that YOU were at the very first NECSS. Alternatively, watch the DVD and just tell everyone you were there! To purchase visit this site, with FREE SHIPPING.

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Flash Wednesday

  • Julia Galef, co-host of the Rationally Speaking Podcast (the official podcast of the New York City Skeptics) and newest NYCS board memeber, was interviewed by The Skeptical Review.
  • Our next public lecture, featuring Professor Graham Priest, will take place on Saturday Sept. 11. After the lecture, please join Prof. Priest and your fellow skeptics for a casual meal at Agave restaurant, located at 7th Ave South between Charles and West 10th Street. We are set to begin at 3PM and will have a reserved room. Please join us!
  • The New York Skeptics Meetup is now the official meetup of NYCS! After 3 years of this being an informal gathering of skeptics, the New York Skeptics Meetup is now the official Meetup of New York City Skeptics! With this will also come changes in format, schedule, and venue to the Meetup. The Meetup will now be a formal discussion group, with a different topic every month. These discussions will be initially lead by NYC Skeptics board member Massimo Pigliucci. A new venue and time is also being considered, and we would like to hear from you! Please join the Meetup!
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Drinking Skeptically This Wednesday

What is Drinking Skeptically?
When: 8PM the last Wednesday of every month!

Drinking Skeptically is an informal event designed to promote fellowship and networking among skeptics, critical-thinkers, and like-minded individuals. … continue reading this entry.

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The False Equivocation and The Mosque

"Which is the best citrus fruit? Some Americans said 'oranges' but others said 'apples.' Tonight, at eleven."

This whole Islamic Center near the World Trade Center site thing has just gotten ridiculous.  Actually, let’s revise that.  This whole Islamic Center near the World Trade Center site thing started OUT ridiculous and has just gotten absurd.  News sources all over the world, from LA to NY, from the Christian Science Monitor to CNN, just about every news source has gotten the story wrong.  Either they’ve pussy-footed around the issue, presenting the stories of those still grieving in order to bolster their non-argument with emotional pleading, or they’ve just presented insanity.  The fact of the matter is this: the Islamic religion as a whole was not responsible for the events of September 11th and acting as though a building for the study of one of the world’s largest religions should be a hot-button issue in any way is just ludicrous. And I’m not saying people don’t have a right to their emotions or something, I’m saying we shouldn’t let blind fear and hatred overwhelm our common sense.  It’s about realizing that sometimes, two points of view do not carry the same weight.  Just because someone out there believes something, that does not automatically make it a valid point of view, and the only group out there in the mainstream media that understands that is Comedy Central. … continue reading this entry.

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A new online resource for science… well, actually Nature

The Nature Publishing Group has a new online initiative called SCITABLE. Trying not to hold the name against them, I checked out the bells and whistles of the site. Their mission is that:

SCITABLE brings together a library of scientific overviews with a worldwide community of scientists, researchers, teachers, and students. Use SCITABLE  to:

  • Learn about a range of scientific subjects
  • Collaborate online with other students and teachers
  • Publish your activities and portfolio to the worldwide science community … continue reading this entry.
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