The Role of Empirical Evidence and Skepticism in the Same Sex Marriage Debate

I teach a course in experimental psychology and research methods. Being a skeptic as well as a psychological science enthusiast, I try to imbue my lessons with the importance of rational inquiry whenever or wherever possible. As my students are often interested in working in fields of social welfare and mental health they want me to emphasize practical applications. As such, there often arise examples where empirical knowledge does not seem to apply, or at least go far enough. To demonstrate this, and hopefully get the students thinking of ways to be logical and rational even where there are no directly testable hypotheses, I facilitate a discussion in each course examining the role and limits of science in the development of social policy. Last semester, the social policy we examined was the stance many hold regarding same sex marriage.

But, before I elaborate on this discussion, let me tell you a story about a cab driver I met a few weeks ago.

He picked me up at my house, and I told him I was heading to City College. He asked, “Oh, the school? What are you studying tonight?” I told him that I was actually headed there to teach a class, and when he asked what, I said , “Psychology.” I was eager to turn my attention back to my iPhone on; as mean as it might sound, I’m not chatty with strangers. He then said,  “Oh, psychology. I think psychology is interesting, especially in studying the problem with the homosexuals.”

I slowly withdrew my headphones.

Without prompting from me the cab driver began to explain his hypothesis concerning ‘the homosexuals’. He told me that homosexual feelings are caused by a virus you either get by having been originally possessed by Satan, or, the more common way, having been molested as a child by a person of the same sex. He concluded that most homosexuals were molested as children by a member of the same sex, and a select few (the ‘original’ homosexuals) were sent by Satan. The goal of this conspiracy is to make everyone gay, so no new babies are born, to bring about the end of days, as foretold in the bible.

To demonstrate that homosexuality is contagious he offered as evidence the ‘fact’ that there are more homosexuals today then ever before, that the disease is spreading. He even went so far as to say that the virus can be caught through simple exposure of an image of homosexuals, such as seeing two men or women kissing on television, or just openly talking about being gay or expressing pride as a gay man or woman. Pride parades are apparently giant petri dishes, growing and spreading the contagions around.

I asked if perhaps he thought that there really wasn’t an increase in homosexual behavior but perhaps it just seemed that way because more people are accepting of the lifestyle nowadays. His rebuttal was that this was part of the conspiracy to make people think homosexuality is normal, which is apparently another way of spreading the disease. I asked how he knew it was not perfectly normal. He told me to look in nature, claiming that as there are no gay animals, it’s not natural. I said that there actually is plenty of evidence of homosexuality amongst non-human animals. He responded that this is because they are animals, and they get ‘hot’ and can’t control themselves, because they have no conscience, because they aren’t human. I pointed out to him that he first said the absence of homosexuality amongst animals was evidence of it being unnatural behavior, and now he’s saying then when animals do have sex same relations, it’s because they’re animals and can’t help themselves. He failed to see the contradiction.

Clearly this cab driver is an example of the most extreme case of homophobia. But what this conversation epitomized for me were the limits to which empirical knowledge is applied to social policy and moral beliefs.  Scientific evidence against aspects of his specific claims can readily be demonstrated through research, and most already have. For example, his claim that animals aren’t gay, and that therefore it isn’t natural behavior: Homosexual behavioral has been well documented amongst several non-human species and a recent article in The New York Times goes into great depth concerning the topic. But evidence disconfirming his assertion that same sex relationships are uniquely human doesn’t go far enough to address his broader claims about homosexuality being abnormal.

Many layers of this claim can not be tested (such as the involvement of the AntiChrist) and it would be difficult to design a study to examine if exposure to same sex interactions would result in a greater likelihood of homosexual behavior as it would potentially involve violations of research ethics and at best would only produce a correlation (which does not go far enough to address questions of causation). However, from a descriptive, retroactive perspective, his claim that most homosexuals were sexually abused by a member of the same sex, could be analyzed. Surveying a population of persons having suffered this abuse, and persons who have not, to examine if the incidence of homosexual preference is greater amongst the former rather than latter group would support this claim. However, again, we’d only be able to conclude relationship, not a causal link.

But even if it were possible to test under rigorous conditions all of the claims he made that present possible, testable hypotheses, I argue that none of it would matter to a public unwilling to to employ empirical evidence in drawing social and moral conclusions. Let’s pretend for a moment that we have definitive, empirical evidence discounting all of the usual claims against same sex coupling, as well as demonstrating that homosexual preference is equivalent in every way to heterosexual preference. Would this knowledge go far enough for policy makers to legalize same sex marriage nationwide?

This was the question that I posed to my class last fall, and will pose once more to my students later this semester.

Responses to this question can vary. Some suggested that if it were demonstrated that sexual preference is determined by genetic factors this would result in the elimination of the belief that homosexuality is a ‘lifestyle choice‘ and/or that increased acceptance of homosexuality leads to more same sex relationships. It might follow then that a person’s sexual orientation is no more controllable than a person’s race, and therefore limitations on the rights of same sex couples would be discrimination on par with limitations of the rights of specific racial groups.

However, some students in the class still expressed having a problem with same sex marriage.

When asked, few could think of any hypothetical, empirically derived evidence that would make them ‘feel’ OK about same sex marriage. Honestly, most discussions I’ve had with people opposed express similar sentiments. To them, answers found in science about such topics as sexual orientation & identify offer little insight as to whether they would conclude that it’s OK for same sex couples to get married, have or adopt children, and other such social issues.

As a thought experiment I asked what possible experiment(s) or evidence would make them reconsider (and bear in mind I did not present actual data but asked what data would be sufficient), the answer was a resounding ‘none’.

Now, I could conclude that these individuals are simply not practicing careful logic in their reasoning, and I will. But these behaviors demonstrate something a bit more powerful than that; empirical evidence, no matter how often replicated, how well supported and demonstrated, is not automatically sufficient to sway public opinion. We see countless demonstrations, most notably amongst recent examples is the perpetuation of the belief  that vaccines cause autism despite reputable data demonstrating this not to be the case.

This is where the role of the skeptics becomes most notable. We, as skeptics, while we may offer empirical data in the formation of our arguments, our role is more importantly defined as promoting enthusiasm for science, and the spirit of wanting conclusions to be based on reasonable, scientifically derived findings. I am convinced that people can no longer be convinced of a viewpoint by being presented data. This has been tried, and it isn’t working. And from where I stand, I don’t think it can. And if you disagree, then tell me, what research could I have presented that cab driver that would have led him to question his firmly held conclusions?

What attracts me to skepticism as a school of thought is that it is not an ideology, it is a method. I think the skeptics have a role to play in enacting change, and not by purporting the research, but by encouraging the idea that arguments, positions, conclusions,  and even our social and moral values can and should be based upon a rational method, and where applicable, empirical evidence. And  perhaps more importantly, the idea that if one’s argument cannot be logically supported by evidence, it should be re-examined.

I find it encouraging that more and more social policy is being developed and designed around data driven and research oriented initiatives. However, progressive change is limited to that which the public will support, and it appears very few Americans desire rational inquiry to the extent your typical skeptic would.

I feel I should state that I strongly support same sex couples having the right to marry. It has been well demonstrated that same sex coupling is equivalent to heterosexual coupling in the quality of the relationship and efficacy in parenting. If we are to assume 1) marriage ultimately plays a positive role within our society, and 2) heterosexual marriage is acceptable (virtually without restriction) then this knowledge does not permit us to continue to differentiate rights based on sexual preference. Being a skeptic of course, should evidence emerge that disconfirms this conclusion I can revisit my position. But that’s the whole idea, isn’t it?

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12 comments to The Role of Empirical Evidence and Skepticism in the Same Sex Marriage Debate

  • Thank you for this inspiring article. Please allow to leave my reply on my website.
    http://fauceir.wordpress.com/2010/04/09/homosexuality-the-fauceir-perspective/

  • Wonderful essay! I would love to repost it on SheThought.com if you are interested.

  • I don’t object to same sex couples entering into a legal agreement, I just object to it being called a marriage. Marriage is a term defined in religion as being between a man and a women. It should be kept that way. I think legal unions should be allowed between any two consenting adults. Since heterosexual marriages are no longer for life they should be renamed as legal unions also. Marriages are suppose to be for life.

    Sincerely,
    Charles

    • ponderingturtle

      Why put so much focus on the sex of those involved? It has managed to keep its name despite giving women things like the right to own property, refuse sex to their husbands, vote and not be legally beaten. The legal difficulties to homosexual marriage have all been removed by giving women rights, making it a union between two equals and not one of a dominant husband and a powerless wife.

    • @Charles Lewis – thanks for reading and your comments. A few questions emerge, however.

      For starters: you state that marriage is defined in religion as being between a man and a woman. Which religion? There are a variety of religions, and each their own definitions regarding marital unions and violations thereof.

      In the Christian bible, Deuteronomy 22:13-30 lays out a ton of different protocols for marriage, including that a bride must be a virgin, if a man rapes a virgin he must marry her and pay a fine to her father and adultery is punishable by death. If we are to accept that the bible defines marriage solely as a union between one man and one woman (and darned if I can’t find that passage anywhere) then should we continue to accept these protocols as well? If not, then why accept parts but not all?

      The second question pertains to your statement about whether or not even heterosexual couples should be rightly named as married if the relationship ends in divorce. How would you accomplish this? I presume that the decision to divorce occurred after the decision to marry, so, should the union be retroactively named a ‘legal union’? Or, can we only define marriages as such when one of the spouses dies, demonstrating the union did in fact last until death properly?

      • Lisa,

        Genesis 2:23-24 talks about a man leaving his family for a women and they becoming one. So that covers both Judiasm and Christianity and Islam considers it a death sentence so it is obvious that all three major religions define marriage as between a man and a women. Budism basically condemns or discourages sexual activity of any kind, so marriage is not a valid option no matter who is doing it. In Hinduism from what I have learned there is an argument as to whether homosexuality is considered romantic love or just lust. Lust is condemned no matter who is performinng it. So I guess there is one religion that might accept homosexual marriage. The others don’t.
        Finally, what I am saying is that in this modern times the term marriage does not really apply to most people getting married. All of them should be civil unions. If you belong to a religion you can use the term marriage, but as far as the goverment is concerned the term should be civil union. My question is why is it so important for the homosexual community to use the term marriage? I have read many articles where members of that community dislike the term civil union. As long as they get the same legal rights as the heterosexuals what does it matter what it is called?

        Sincerely,
        Charles

        • No where in any of that is there an explicit definition. It’s a few verses that you’re choosing to interpret a certain way.

          And a civil union is not equivalent to a marriage. Marriage is a status, not a contract. Partners in a civil union or domestic partnership are not enabled to same rights as a married couple. For example, up until the new legislation that passed last week, a domestic partner was not allowed family level visitation privileges in hospitals or to make decisions on behalf of their partner.

          And I’d ask why should a same sex couple NOT be allowed to use the word marriage? Why should their families be identified differently?

          I guess what I really do not understand is if a domestic partnership is made in every way to be the same as marriage, then why not just allow same sex marriage? If it’s about upholding some biblical tradition then why not uphold all of them? Why are we allowing women to own property? Why aren’t we stoning to death insolent children?

          You’re cherry picking a few verses, interpreting them with your own narrative, and then deciding that an entire population should not be entitled to equal rights.

          • Charles

            Lisa,

            Domestic partners or unions may not currently hold the same legal status as marriage, but that could easily be corrected through legal means.
            I still pose the question back to you if same sex couples can get the same legal rights from a legal union or domestic partnership why do same sex couple want to insist on using the term marriage to describe their partnership/union? Why is the use of that word so important? Why can’t they allow the religious community to preserve the term marriage?
            People always want conservative people to compromise to more liberal views but the other never seems to be true.
            Thanks for the nice discussion.
            Sincerely,
            Charles

  • Doron

    Great post, thank you

  • Nathan from Sydney

    Interesting piece of writing.

    Its terrible that people still hold views such as that taxi driver.

    I love the ending where you state if marriage is a good thing for society surely it is better for everyone to have access to it.

    Same sex marriage is inevitable and I believe the sooner it is accepted the faster we can all get on with our lives in peace.

    Take care

  • ponderingturtle

    I have not found that watching girl on girl porn has made me the least bit gay. But to fully refute the cab drivers hypothesis more study is needed.

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